Georgetown Zoning Board of Appeals
Tuesday November 12, 2024
The order of items in transcripts appear in the chronological order in which they were taken up. Some Agenda items may have been skipped.
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102.56 JAMES102.56 OGDEN102.56 -102.56 ZONING102.56 BOARD102.56 OF102.56 APPEALS102.56 CHAIR102.56 -102.56 Good102.56 evening.102.72 Welcome104.16 to104.56 the104.72 zoning104.8 board105.12 of105.28 appeals105.36 meeting105.76 on106.08 Tuesday,106.23 November106.56 12,107.03 2024.107.67 The110.15 Board110.31 of110.47 Appeals110.55 will110.95 conduct111.11 this111.43 meeting111.59 according111.83 to112.07 the112.15 rules112.31 laid112.55 out112.71 in112.87 Chapter113.67 4S113.75 of113.75 the113.83 general113.99 laws114.31 of114.55 the114.63 Commonwealth114.71 of115.19 Massachusetts,115.35 Robert's116.55 rules117.03 of117.35 order,117.51 and117.75 its117.91 own118.07 particular118.31 set118.79 of118.95 rules119.03 entitled119.75 rules120.31 of120.55 procedure,120.71 a121.35 copy121.43 of121.75 which121.83 is122.07 on122.15 file122.31 with122.63 the122.79 town122.87 clerk.123.19 Another124.28 copy124.59 is125 available125.16 from125.56 the125.8 administrative126.03 assistant126.67 at127.08 this127.23 meeting.127.48 This128.51 meeting128.75 is129 being129.16 recorded129.47 for129.79 the129.96 purpose130.03 of130.36 taking130.51 minutes.130.84 Once131.24 those131.56 minutes131.72 are132.03 approved,132.19 the132.75 recording132.92 may133.4 be133.64 lost.134.03 We're136.9 gonna137.14 move138.26 off138.58 of138.74 our138.9 agenda139.14 a139.3 little139.46 bit139.62 and139.78 move139.94 right140.1 into140.26 a140.5 public140.58 hearing140.9 for141.62 47141.78 West142.42 Street.142.74 File144.34 number144.66 09-05,146.34 assessor's146.74 map147.3 2,147.7 lot148.02 37,148.26 modification148.82 of149.38 a149.54 comprehensive149.62 permit.150.18 Unfortunately,151.61 due152.32 to152.49 some152.56 scheduling152.72 issues,153.21 that154.89 public155.21 hearing155.61 will155.84 be156.17 continued156.56 to157.21 7157.53 PM,157.84 December158.32 3,158.72 2024.159.69 Do163.22 I163.46 need163.54 a163.62 motion163.7 to164.02 that164.18 effect?164.34
166.18 THOMAS166.18 MULLIGAN166.18 -166.18 ZONING166.18 BOARD166.18 OF166.18 APPEALS166.18 MEMBER166.18 -166.18 So166.18 moved.166.42
167.7 LEO170.66 RYAN170.66 -170.66 ZONING170.66 BOARD170.66 OF170.66 APPEALS170.66 MEMBER170.66 -170.66 Second.170.66
170.66 All170.66 in170.9
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180.61 TRACY180.61 HARTFORD180.61 -180.61 ZONING180.61 BOARD180.76 OF180.76 APPEALS180.76 MEMBER180.76 -180.76 What180.76 are180.76 we180.76 voting180.76 on?180.76 Sorry,181 I181.17 just181.33 walked181.56 in.181.81
183.41 OGDEN183.41 -183.41 Continuing183.41 public184.13 hearing184.53 for184.93 47185.09 West185.56 Street185.89 to187.09 December187.41 3rd.188.13
188.84 HARTFORD188.84 -188.84 Okay.188.84 Yes.189.25
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206.91 HARTFORD206.91 -206.91 Was206.91 that207.06 just207.22 requested207.54 tonight?208.1
209.06 OGDEN209.06 -209.06 What's209.06 that?209.31
209.54 HARTFORD209.54 -209.54 Was209.54 that209.71 just209.94 requested210.1 tonight?210.66
211.14 OGDEN211.14 -211.14 Yes.211.14 There's211.78 a212.42 scheduling212.75 issue.213.22
214.26 HARTFORD214.26 -214.26 Okay.214.26 That's214.75 why215.06 I215.31 didn't215.38 see215.71 that215.86 note.216.1
217.14 OGDEN217.14 -217.14 And217.14 from217.38 there217.63 I217.78 guess217.94 we're218.1 gonna218.26 move218.5 back218.75 into218.91 new219.31 business221.84 or222.16 maybe222.16 we222.48 could,222.64 review224.56 and224.96 approve225.12 some225.44 minutes225.6 by230.16 Muni230.48 Track231.36 for231.36 April231.6 2nd,232.32 June233.28 4th,233.68 July234.32 9th,234.8 August235.86 6th,236.18 and237.53 October238.58 1st.238.97 We'd273.69 had274.08 a274.25 prior274.4 conversation274.73 about275.37 the277.7 level277.86 of278.1 detail278.26 included279.54 in279.94 these280.1 minutes.282.66 And282.9 we282.9 had283.14 some283.3 opinion283.62 from284.18 Kopelman285.14 and285.78 Paige285.86 that286.98 I287.22 don't287.38 know287.54 if287.7 you287.78 guys287.94 got288.1 a288.26 copy288.34 of.288.66 Oh,289.38 it's289.54 in289.7 your289.86 box.290.02
290.42 HARTFORD290.42 -290.42 I'm290.42 seeing291.22 it291.54 now.291.7
302.71 MULLIGAN302.71 -302.71 Mr.303.04 Chairman,303.44 if303.44 I303.6 may.305.69 So305.77 if305.77 everyone305.89 remembers,306.01 I307.29 raised307.53 this307.85 concern308.17 back309.29 in309.53 June310.33 then310.73 again310.97 in311.21 July311.37 that313.05 I314.01 thought314.17 the314.49 minutes314.73 were315.29 lacking315.85 details,316.41 significant317.37 details,317.93 and318.25 it's318.41 now318.97 a319.21 new319.29 third319.53 party319.77 vendor320.09 doing320.49 the320.81 minutes321.05 for321.31 us.321.63 So322.83 after323.56 we323.96 talked324.27 to324.51 the324.68 board,324.83 it327 was327.15 agreed327.39 that327.71 I'd328.44 send328.75 some329.15 samples329.48 to330.04 town330.27 council330.6 and331.07 ask331.31 their331.63 opinion.331.88 And333.48 as334.59 you334.71 can334.83 see335.15 in335.39 your335.63 correspondence,336.03 we336.75 did336.99 get337.23 feedback338.03 from338.59 town338.99 council339.39 and340.83 they342.59 agree.342.91 It's343.55 lacking343.79 some344.35 important344.67 particulars,348.79 even349.04 some349.04 simple349.27 things.349.6 Members350 present,350.48 members350.88 absence,351.44 even,353.6 like,354.24 what354.56 we354.71 just354.88 did355.19 about355.83 the356.39 motion.356.56 It's357.75 not358 picking,358.31 like,358.71 Leo359.04 up359.35 like359.75 it's360 supposed360.15 to360.56 be.360.63 So364.82 I364.9 did365.06 bring365.3 this365.54 to365.78 the365.94 attention366.1 to366.74 the367.3 planning368.58 board.369.06 I370.26 also370.42 brought370.74 it370.98 to371.22 the371.38 attention371.46 of372.02 town372.18 administrator372.5 who373.06 is373.54 in374.26 the374.5 correspondence374.66 with375.38 town375.62 council.375.86 I377.35 have377.5 not377.67 heard377.9 anything378.14 back378.46 from378.71 the378.94 town379.02 administrator379.35 about380.23 if381.43 he's381.58 had381.9 conversations382.14 with382.79 the382.94 third383.02 party383.35 vendor.383.67
385.11 So385.11 right385.26 now,385.5 it385.75 takes385.9 Robin386.55 extra387.67 time388.23 to389.58 fill389.82 in390.14 all390.46 the390.71 missing390.79 details391.19 because392.32 she's392.56 going392.64 through393.04 the393.28 recording,394 she's394.32 going394.32 through394.56 her394.8 notes,395.04 and395.76 then395.92 plugging396.16 it396.48 in.396.64 Well,397.68 my397.84 opinion398.08 is398.4 why398.64 are398.8 we398.88 paying399.04 a399.28 third399.44 party399.68 if400.48 Robin400.72 is401.12 actually401.36 doing401.68 all402 the402.16 work?402.32 I406.54 know406.69 I407.18 read407.42 through407.98 the408.13 minutes.408.38 What412.13 I'd413.65 propose413.98 is414.85 a415.65 motion415.81 to417.5 accept417.81 the418.62 minutes418.77 as420.21 they420.54 are420.85 under422.28 the422.52 condition422.76 we423.32 can423.56 modify423.8 them424.44 after425.48 Robin425.88 has426.28 had426.52 time426.68 to427.8 update427.96 them.428.28 And429.48 the429.8 reason429.96 I430.6 would430.68 make430.92 that431.16 motion431.32 now431.72 is432.52 so432.76 if434.06 somebody434.46 from434.77 the435.01 public435.18 comes435.65 in435.89 looking436.38 for436.69 the436.86 minutes,437.01 at437.89 least438.06 we're438.38 meaning438.69 a439.33 good439.57 faith439.81 effort440.21 of440.69 getting440.94 something441.33 on441.98 the442.13 record,442.3 and443.98 then444.13 we444.46 can444.54 update444.86 them445.25 later.445.81 That's446.89 just447.05 my447.37 thought.447.61
448.01 OGDEN448.01 -448.01 You448.01 put448.09 a448.33 time449.05 limit449.21 on449.61 how450.09 long450.33 we451.37 have451.69 to451.93 update452.17 them?452.49
453.53 MULLIGAN453.53 -453.53 I453.53 would453.85 say454.09 by454.25 the454.41 December454.65 meeting456.33 because,456.81 really,456.81 it's457.13 just457.37 the,461.47 what461.47 was461.63 it?461.91 The462.19 April462.68 2nd463 June463.56 meetings464.44 because465 July465.47 9th,465.88 and466.24 the466.59 6th466.75 and467.31 October467.47 1st,467.88 they469 were469.15 extremely469.39 short469.88 meetings470.12 and470.51 we470.68 continued.470.75 We471.63 didn't471.71 have471.88 any472.03 hearings.472.35 So473.47 I473.63 would473.71 say473.95 by474.19 December474.44 3rd474.83 have475.74 an475.98 updated476.38 copy.476.78
477.58 OGDEN477.58 -477.58 I477.58 haven't477.82 read478.22 this,478.38 but478.54 going478.78 forward479.1 we479.5 are479.74 going479.9 to480.3
482.14 MULLIGAN482.14 -482.14 I'd482.14 like482.46 to482.7 have482.94 the483.1 opportunity483.34 to483.9 circle483.98 back484.3 with484.46 town484.7 administrator484.94 to485.5 see485.58 where485.74 he485.98 is486.14 with487.02 the487.18 third487.34 party487.58 vendor.487.98
488.7 OGDEN488.7 -488.7 Yeah.488.7 And488.87 going489.11 forward,489.35 I489.58 think489.67 I489.82 need489.99 to490.14 make490.23 a490.38 more490.46 concerted490.94 effort491.43 to492.38 read493.11 a493.26 lot493.43 more493.9 of494.14 these494.23 details494.55 into495.11 the495.35 record495.5 so495.82 they495.99 can496.14 be496.31 captured.496.79
501.77 MULLIGAN501.77 -501.77 So501.77 I'd501.85 make502.09 a502.33 motion502.41 that503.05 we503.53 accept503.85 the505.21 minutes505.37 for506.17 April506.89 2nd,507.21 June508.01 4th,508.33 June509.05 9th,509.37 June510.01 6th,510.33 and510.97 October511.13 1st511.69 with513.53 the513.77 condition514.01 that515.24 upon515.55 further515.96 review516.36 of516.84 our517 administrative517.32 assistant,518.04 Robin518.51 Holt,522.12 and522.6 any522.6 adjustments522.91 that523.48 she523.55 makes523.79 will524.27 be524.51 approved524.75 on525.48 the525.72 December525.96 3rd526.43 meeting.527
529.08 RYAN529.08 -529.08 Second.529.08
531.77 OGDEN531.77 -531.77 So531.77 we532.01 have532.25 a532.41 motion532.49 and532.81 a532.97 second533.05 to533.37 accept533.45 those536.65 five536.97 sets537.21 of537.45 meeting538.17 minutes.538.57 As541.85 far542.01 as542.17 a542.33 roll542.41 call542.65 vote542.89 goes,543.13 could543.37 we543.53 just543.69 say543.93 a544.17 name544.25 and544.49 a544.65 vote?544.73
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564.79 OGDEN564.79 -564.79 Having564.79 passed565.43 unanimously,565.83 we'll567.51 move567.83 into568.07 a568.31 discussion568.39 about568.79 accessory569.11 dwelling569.67 units.569.99 Tom,583.1 had583.33 you583.5 written583.65 up583.98 a,584.21 had585.1 you585.25 made585.41 copies585.65 of585.98 that's587.69 in587.93 the588.15 back588.38 of588.6 this?588.83
589.05 MULLIGAN589.05 -589.05 Of589.05 the589.21 latest589.29 draft?589.69
590.01 OGDEN590.01 -590.01 Yes.590.01
590.81 MULLIGAN591.21 -591.21 I've591.21 made591.21 copies,591.61 but592.01 I592.25 do592.33 believe592.49 Robin592.81 put593.21 them593.37 in.593.53 But593.61 if594.33 it,594.57 sort595.05 of595.37 time,595.93 if596.49 we596.65 wanna596.81 just597.13 pass597.37 these597.61 down.597.85 So601.45 as601.85 everyone602.33 is602.73 aware,603.05 Jay604.09 and604.33 I604.49 were604.64 participating604.88 in605.69 a606.09 working606.25 group606.57 with606.97 a607.13 couple607.29 people607.69 from608 the608.17 planning608.33 board,608.73 conservation,609.29 building610.33 inspector,610.81 Robin611.61 was612 involved,612.25 the612.81 board612.88 of613.13 health613.29 was613.45 involved,613.69 on614.98 the615.62 new615.86 ADU616.42 law617.06 that617.3 goes617.38 into617.62 effect617.86 February618.34 2nd.618.9 The620.9 planning621.06 board621.62 has622.1 held622.42 one623.14 public623.7 hearing624.18 on626.1 the626.98 proposed627.22 bylaw.628.02 They're629.83 holding630.14 a630.47 second630.79 or631.5 continued631.83 public632.47 hearing632.87 tomorrow633.35 night633.83 on634.71 it.634.87 And637.9 this637.9 is638.23 the638.55 updated639.02 draft639.99 from641.59 the642.95 working643.18 group643.99 but644.38 also644.63 from645.15 the645.47 first645.63 public646.19 hearing646.67 based648.19 on648.91 some649.23 comments649.95 from650.35 the650.59 public650.75 and651.23 everything651.47 like651.87 that.652.11 So653.79 it's654.35 more654.59 of654.83 an654.99 FYI655.31 for655.95 the656.11 board656.27 where656.91 we're657.15 at658.43 and659.07 everything.659.31 Do661.21 we661.37 wanna661.52 go661.85 through662.16 it662.4 or663.37 are664 we664.25 good664.49 just665.04 being665.37 updated?665.61
670 OGDEN670 -670 How670 do670.25 you670.33 guys670.4 feel?670.57
671.13 HARTFORD671.13 -671.13 I'm671.13 good671.13 with671.13 just671.28 being671.52 updated671.76 because672.16 I672.4 read672.49 this.672.73 Yeah.672.97
673.45 ERIC673.45 BURTON673.45 -673.45 ZONING673.45 BOARD673.45 OF673.45 APPEALS673.45 MEMBER673.45 -673.45 I'm673.45 fine673.45 with673.45 just673.45 being673.45 updated.673.45
673.45 MULLIGAN673.45 -673.45 Okay.673.45 Yeah.674.16 When675.75 you675.99 guys676.15 think676.47 back676.71 to677.03 last678.23 spring678.55 when679.27 we679.51 as679.67 a679.91 board680.07 started680.47 going680.79 through681.11 some681.91 of682.15 our682.23 suggestions,682.47 we684.07 actually684.39 were685.43 pretty685.75 much686.07 ahead686.23 of686.47 the686.63 curve686.71 changing687.43 our687.91 in688.15 law688.31 department.688.55 And689.71 a689.95 lot690.19 of690.36 the690.43 stuff690.6 we690.91 talked691.07 about691.32 is692.27 in692.43 the692.6 new692.75 ADU693.07 legislation.694.6 So695.88 great.697.39
702.05 OGDEN702.05 -702.05 Alright.702.05 So702.37 I702.53 guess702.61 we're702.77 gonna703.01 have703.25 a703.33 similar703.41 discussion703.81 regarding704.29 the704.69 MBTA704.93 overlay705.65 district,706.13 which709.49 the711.97 planning712.21 board712.61 has712.85 been713.09 having713.25 a714.36 public714.6 hearing714.91 on715.24 and715.63 that's715.88 also716.12 continued716.43 till716.84 tomorrow717.08 night.717.39 Had721.15 you721.39 guys721.48 had721.72 an721.88 opportunity722.04 to722.51 review722.67 that723.96 paperwork?724.2
738.19 MULLIGAN738.19 -738.19 What738.75 Robin739.23 put739.23 in739.39 our739.63 packet739.87 is740.67 actually741.07 on741.39 the741.55 planning741.79 board742.19 site.742.51 I744.88 don't745.05 think745.29 there's745.52 been745.76 an746.17 updated746.57 version.747.61
747.93 HARTFORD747.93 -747.93 This747.93 is748 what748.09 we've748.25 seen748.49 before.748.81 So749.13 we749.29 talked749.45 about749.68 this749.85 last750.25 one.752.17
752.64 MULLIGAN752.64 -752.64 Exactly.752.64 So752.64 a752.88 lot753.05 of753.21 dialogue753.45 at754.49 last754.73 month's754.73 public755.05 hearing.755.45 Some757.68 of757.92 the758.08 calculations758.32 going759.28 back759.6 and759.84 forth,761.2 some761.36 of761.36 the761.52 concerns.762.08 And762.32 it's762.32 my762.56 understanding762.72 that763.36 the763.76 planning764 board764.48 did764.8 vote765.04 on765.28 it765.44 and767.04 two767.36 members767.6 voted768.08 for768.48 one768.64 of768.88 the768.96 options,769.76 two770 members770 voted770.4 for770.72 the770.96 other771.12 option.773.98 And775.42 then775.74 they775.89 presented776.13 it776.54 to776.62 the776.7 board777.5 of777.74 selectmen777.74 and778.3 the778.34 board778.38 of778.7 selectmen778.7 told779.25 them779.5 go779.74 back779.89 and780.13 narrow780.46 it780.77 down780.86 to781.1 one782.13 option782.3 and782.3 come782.3 back782.54 to782.77 them782.86 with783.25 one783.42 option.783.65
784.13 OGDEN784.13 -784.13 I784.13 was784.22 trying784.38 to784.62 catch784.77 up784.93 on785.1 that785.17 meeting785.34 and785.65 I785.82 didn't787.21 get787.53 to787.69 the787.85 end787.93 of788.01 it788.17 yet.788.25 Thanks790.17 for790.41 ruining790.65 it.790.97
791.93 STEVEN793.21 EPSTEIN793.21 -793.21 RESIDENT793.21 -793.21 And793.21 there's793.45 no,798.49 municipality798.49 of798.53 and798.65 it's800.41
804.52 MULLIGAN804.52 -804.52 So804.52 the804.76 planning804.76 board805.25 considered805.49 that,806.76 yes.807.33 That807.33 was807.57 part807.8 of807.97 the808.13 dialogue808.21 at808.61 the808.85 public808.92 meeting809.33 and810.21 stuff.810.45 But810.85 the811.16 question811.25 before811.73 the812.04 SJC812.28 is813.16 the813.64 penalty813.88 not815.82 the816.14 legality816.3 of816.86 the817.02 actual817.18 legislation.817.5
817.82 EPSTEIN817.82 -817.82 I817.82 understand817.98 that.818.46 But818.62 if818.86 they818.94 can't819.1 impose819.5 a819.9 penalty,820.06 then820.62 why820.94 follow821.34 the821.74 law?821.9
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HARTFORD824.14 -824.14 Why824.14 are824.14 we824.3 reviewing824.46 this824.94 if825.1 it825.18 hasn't825.34 been825.66 approved?825.82 Like,826.06 what826.22 are826.38 we826.42
826.62 OGDEN826.62 -826.62 It's826.62 FYI.826.78
827.58 HARTFORD827.58 -827.58 Okay.827.58 This827.58 is827.82 just827.9 I'm,828.38 like,828.38 what828.54 are828.7 we828.78
829.18 MULLIGAN829.18 -829.18 It's829.18 because830.2 when830.85 you831 think831.16 about831.4 it,831.64 it832.04 will832.61 impact832.85 zoning.833.25 We'll834.52 have834.85 some835 new835.25 zoning835.49 districts835.88 and836.37 some838.13 of838.28 this838.44 stuff838.61 will838.85 come839 before839.16 us.839.49
839.73 HARTFORD839.73 -839.73 So839.73 it's839.88 just840.04 an840.2 FYI.840.37
840.85 OGDEN840.85 -840.85 Yeah.841.64 Think841.88 that841.96 we842.13 can842.28 update842.44 that842.76 this843 is843.25 something843.49 happening.843.73
844.37 HARTFORD844.37 -844.37 But844.37 this844.52 is844.68 the844.85 same845 update845.16 we845.49 had845.7 last845.94 month?846.9
846.9 MULLIGAN846.9 -846.9 Yeah.847.38
847.62 OGDEN847.62 -847.62 I847.62 believe847.78 it's848.02 the848.26 same,848.98 yeah.849.46 And849.46 the849.62 goal849.7 was849.94 to850.18
850.58 HARTFORD850.58 -850.58 So850.58 am850.66 I850.7 getting850.74 to850.98 a851.22 new851.3 update,851.78 did851.94 I851.94 miss852.58 something852.82 because852.82 I'm852.82 just852.98 seeing853.14 my853.38 notes853.54 from853.78 last853.94 month?854.26
854.42 MULLIGAN854.42 -854.42 But854.42 I854.98 I855.14 have855.46 to855.7 say855.86 the856.18 team857.22 from857.54 Merrimack857.78 Valley858.34 Planning,858.66 they859.54 did859.7 a859.94 really860.02 nice860.26 job860.58 at861.49 the861.57 public861.81 hearing,863.4 addressing864.05 concerns864.05 and,864.69 like,865.4 really,866.05 I867.57 don't867.73 wanna867.88 say868.13 justifying868.61 their869.97 plan870.29 but871.33 backing872.37 their872.76 plan.873.33 So874.33 if874.73 anybody874.89 has875.37 some875.61 time,875.85 I'd876.49 even876.65 listen876.89 in877.21 to878.17 the878.25 meeting878.41 tomorrow,880.33 and884.97 so.884.97
884.97 OGDEN884.97 -884.97 And884.97 that885.21 meeting885.37 will885.61 be885.85 held885.93 over886.17 Zoom?886.41
886.81 MULLIGAN886.81 -886.81 Yep.886.81
902.58 OGDEN902.58 -902.58 You902.58 guys902.74 wanna902.9 take903.14 a903.3 few903.38 minutes903.54 to903.86 discuss904.1 the904.42 2025905.06 ZBA906.58 calendar?907.14
912.02 MULLIGAN912.02 -912.02 Do912.02 you912.18 know912.26 what912.5 it912.66 is?912.74
913.78 HARTFORD913.78 -913.78 I914.25 didn't914.41 see914.82 it914.98 on915.13 the915.21 dates915.29 I915.53 didn't915.7 get915.86 to915.93 look916.01 for916.25 it,916.41 but916.41
916.65 OGDEN916.65 -916.65 It's917.21 behind917.46 the,917.86 you918.33 don't918.58 have918.74 one?918.98
919.21 MULLIGAN919.21 -919.21 No.919.21
919.62 HARTFORD919.62 -919.62 2025.919.62 The920.33 voting920.58 dates,921.13 do921.53 we921.7 have921.86 the,922.1 because922.74 I923.05 noticed923.13 November923.53 that924.01 first924.17 Tuesday924.74 was925.29 in925.53 there925.7 still.925.93 Is926.25 that926.33 a926.58 voting926.65 date?926.89
927.21 MULLIGAN927.21 -927.21 On927.21 the927.38 front927.38 jacket?927.38
928.33 OGDEN928.33 -928.33 You928.33 wanna928.52 see928.84 my928.92 copy?929.16
929.88 MULLIGAN929.88 -929.88 No.929.88 You930.12 should930.2 probably,930.68 you931 one.931.16
931.4 OGDEN931.4 -931.4 Yeah.931.4
932.28 HARTFORD932.28 -932.28 No.932.28 I932.6 have933 one.933.16
933.4 OGDEN933.4 -933.4 Issue933.4 right933.64 here.933.88 Alright.934.12
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